Want To Pray For Me?

thQFSXU4THFrom time to time I will meet wonderful Christian people who ask if they can pray for me. If you are reading this post because I asked you to read it before praying for me then may I say “Thank You!” for hearing these words with an open heart. I really appreciate your desire to see me healed and whole but I’m going to challenge your thinking a bit first.

Why I Am Writing This

There are many difficult things about having a debilitating disease. One thing that you wouldn’t expect is that the actions of well meaning people would cause more harm than good when it comes to their desire to see me healed. I’ve been prayed for many times, had many hands laid on me, had many people who claim to have the gift of healing and told me stories of miraculous healing… and yet, I am not healed.

Many have quoted scripture verses that appear to show that God heals everyone (if they have enough faith of course). What do you suppose it feels like when someone who:

  • Claims to have the gift of healing
  • Has healed others of terrible diseases
  • Says that God wants to heal everyone

Prays for you and then you are not healed?

I can tell you that it feels like it is your fault. Nobody says that, but if the group of Christians you are meeting with believes this then you feel awkward around them. The fact that you are not healed must be because you have a lack of faith or some secret sin. Again, nobody says this but you can tell from their words and actions that at least some of them believe it.

The best way to ensure that I will not be a part of your bible study group or church fellowship is to hound me about healing. If you

  • Make it a regular practice to talk up healing
  • Ask people to submit to dozens of hands laid on them for healing
  • Tell stories about healings that may or may not be factual

I probably won’t be a part of your group for long.

The first thing I ask is that you respect my feelings in this matter. Being sick is hard enough without having to feel like a failure as a Christian because I’m not healed.

Respect God’s Sovereignty

sov·er·eign·ty‌ (sŏv′ər-ĭn-tē, sŏv′rĭn-)
Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign state.

Who decides if I am healed or not?

  • Is it you?
  • Is it me?
  • Is it God?

Jesus and the apostles healed many people but they did not heal everyone who was sick. All around them people got sick and died. Throughout 2,000 years of Christianity as far as I know, every Christian that ever was has died.

  • You are born
  • You live a few years
  • You get sick
  • You die

This seems to be the normal pattern of life for Christians and non-Christians alike. Even people who were raised from the dead in scripture would later get sick and die. Regardless of what others have told you, you do not have the power of life and death in your hands. You cannot simply declare that I am not sick and then tell me to believe it.

In the 19th century Mary Baker Eddy the founder of Christian Science taught her followers that sickness was an illusion.

This includes the view that disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated, not by medicine, but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

In other words, she taught people to deny the facts of their illness and simply claim that they were not sick. This is remarkably similar to the teaching of 20th century Christian teachers who say that the sickness is simply an illusion brought on by the devil and that through faith we can make it go away.

If you want to pray for me, I ask that you respect God’s Sovereignty over my life and body.

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for disposal of refuse? (Romans 9:21)

God is the potter. He has the right to do whatever he wants to with the clay. I know that is hard to accept, believe me, I’ve had to accept it. The truth is that one day all of us will have to accept (unless we die very suddenly) the fact that our bodies are not going to last forever. Yes, perhaps mine is failing sooner than it should but who are we to say?

If you respect God’s sovereignty over my body

  • Don’t assume that God’s will is to heal me. It might not be.
  • Don’t pretend that you are casting out a demon and command the disease to leave me or command my tumors to dissolve. Nobody in scripture casts out a disease, they only cast out demons.
  • Don’t slap me, shake me or push be down because you like the energy of dramatic physical motion.
  • Don’t keep nagging me about healing every time I talk to you. When you do that, it makes me want to avoid you.
  • Do pray that God would ease my suffering
  • Do pray that God would help me to remain faithful to the end
  • Do ask God to heal me if it is his will
  • Do accept the fact the God may decide to use me in this frail body as it is until the day that he heals me through death.

Learn What The New Testament Really Teaches About Healing

Much of what you think you know about healing is just unbiblical baggage that you picked up along the way. If you think you have the gift of healing, don’t go to someone’s book on healing, get out your bible and study it. If you want to pray for me then here is your assignment.

In Conclusion

I appreciate the fact that you want to heal me. Sadly, many other disabled people I have spoken with tell me that they are often assaulted by people who believe that the Holy Spirit has directed them to pray for their healing.

Nobody wants to be the guy who says “No, actually I don’t want you to pray for my healing.” So I won’t be that guy, I will just ask that you respect my wishes when praying.

 

 

3 comments

  1. Ron, you have expressed some of my beliefs very well. I really appreciate your candor. I will continue to pray for you as you wish me to pray. May God richly bless your life. Susan

  2. “From time to time I will meet wonderful Christian people who ask if they can pray for me. If you are reading this post because I asked you to read it before praying for me then may I say “Thank You!” for hearing these words with an open heart. I really appreciate your desire to see me healed and whole but I’m going to challenge your thinking a bit first.”

    I appreciate your challanging me. But I dont think many will have the courage to take up your challange, because of a lack of understanding of scripture and of, what God does or doesnt want to do in our lives.

    “Why I Am Writing This

    There are many difficult things about having a debilitating disease. One thing that you wouldn’t expect is that the actions of well meaning people would cause more harm than good when it comes to their desire to see me healed. I’ve been prayed for many times, had many hands laid on me, had many people who claim to have the gift of healing and told me stories of miraculous healing… and yet, I am not healed.”

    We all have the ability to do what Christ did. You know we are told to go do what He done. And Christ also said Greater things than these will you do. He doesnt make mistakes. Did we stop sinning yet. But he told people to go sin no more. How is that possible?

    “Many have quoted scripture verses that appear to show that God heals everyone”
    Its either truth or its not. If its scripture and God said it then its correct and it works. SO whats up when it doesnt work. Only one scripture and its a lack of faith.

    ” (if they have enough faith of course).” Where does scripture say the person being prayed for needs faith? It doesnt.

    “What do you suppose it feels like when someone who:”Claims to have the gift of healing. Has healed others of terrible diseases. Says that God wants to heal everyone
    Prays for you and then you are not healed?”

    Must be horrific. How do you think it feels for the person who prays for you. Never saw healing in you. Then meets someone else who needs prayer? Espicially when they see what scripture says to do. I know I am on this side of the fence. How do you think it was for Smithwiggles worth. Healing many and yet his daughter sat at the front of every meeting with an ear trumpet, because she was deaf?

    “I can tell you that it feels like it is your fault. Nobody says that, but if the group of Christians you are meeting with believes this then you feel awkward around them. The fact that you are not healed must be because you have a lack of faith or some secret sin. Again, nobody says this but you can tell from their words and actions that at least some of them believe it.”

    That is just horrible. But As I said it is not your secret sin, not your lack of faith. The only lack is on the person who is praying. Theres no lack in God. Faith moves the mountian. Mountian never moved guess whats missing.

    “The best way to ensure that I will not be a part of your bible study group or church fellowship is to hound me about healing. If you

    Make it a regular practice to talk up healing”

    Why would you talk down healing when its in scripture. If your sick call the elder and the will say the prayer of faith and you WILL be healed. So you want to reject them and there message becasue of your lack of understanding and theres to a lesser degree than yours.

    “Ask people to submit to dozens of hands laid on them for healing” This is not nessisery. One in Christ is a majority.

    “Tell stories about healings that may or may not be factual”

    So you dont trust man or God based on your experiances. Its clear in your message here you are double minded on
    healing. You want to believe it but dont really have a full teaching on it. Go look at JGLM Curry Blake or Neck ministries with Dan Mohler. They have a full gospel message not a half gospel like most churches. Most churches are still straddling two covanants.

    “I probably won’t be a part of your group for long.”

    We know Gods word is true. What doesnt line up is our experiances. So we disregaurd Gods word again because of what we see in our fives senses. This is not spiritual living, This is not mind renewing. And it is not dying to self and living for Christ. But until we hear how to renew your mind, until we learn that we are three parts,spirit soul and body. Right now for most Christians the body rules. Thats not how its supposed to be.

    “The first thing I ask is that you respect my feelings in this matter. Being sick is hard enough without having to feel like a failure as a Christian because I’m not healed.”
    satan will have a hay day with the unrenewed mind. jesus never came to condem you.

    “Respect God’s Sovereignty

    sov·er·eign·ty? (sov’?r-in-te, sov’rin-)
    Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign state.” But you also need to respect what we are in Christ. We represent Christ here on earth. Is that just in part? Or do we represent Him in full? We are all to walk like Christ did in full raising the dead healing the sick etc. Find it hard to see you know so many scriptures but dont except them. You cannot please God with out faith

    “Who decides if I am healed or not?

    Is it you?
    Is it me?
    Is it God?
    Jesus and the apostles healed many people but they did not heal everyone who was sick. All around them people got sick and died. Throughout 2,000 years of Christianity as far as I know, every Christian that ever was has died.”
    So you are condeming the few Christians who at least believ the bible that we lay hands on the sick. You are expecting them to get 100% when you in fact dont even believ healing is for us today for all. AGian your experiance is lord. Dont you know what spiritual minded is kingdom minded?

    “You are born
    You live a few years
    You get sick
    You die
    This seems to be the normal pattern of life for Christians and non-Christians alike. Even people who were raised from the dead in scripture would later get sick and die. Regardless of what others have told you, you do not have the power of life and death in your hands. You cannot simply declare that I am not sick and then tell me to believe it.”

    And what seems to be is gospel for you? NO you dont have the power of life in your hands its in your tounge. Once again you are showing a carnel mind in full swing. Your sicknesses deseases are payed for at the wipping post. The carnel mind doesnt get it. You need to renew your mind to understand this. You must be born again. This is what it is talking about. all you messages reeks of the flesh. put it to death.

    “In the 19th century Mary Baker Eddy the founder of Christian Science taught her followers that sickness was an illusion.”

    Its not an illousion its an attack from satan. steal kill destroy yada yada.

    “This includes the view that disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated, not by medicine, but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science
    At least she has a biblical principle and it will work for her to a degree

    “In other words, she taught people to deny the facts of their illness and simply claim that they were not sick. This is remarkably similar to the teaching of 20th century Christian teachers who say that the sickness is simply an illusion brought on by the devil and that through faith we can make it go away.”

    And you dont understand that this is correct. Give satan no foothold, but your whole message is so full of what satan would want you to believe he has you on toast.
    Its all about getting out of the flesh an walking in the spirit.

    “If you want to pray for me, I ask that you respect God’s Sovereignty over my life and body.” your so offended at not being healed that you are blocking any chance of getting healed. In the way you have worded what looks like a very strong case for satan. But it dosent frighten me. I can see through it a mile away. Try not to disregaurd and knock down the people who believe what God says in His word. At the very least just say I dont understand it.

    “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for disposal of refuse? (Romans 9:21)”
    Totally out of context.

    God never made you the way you are. satan did. Do you not know that the “church” opperated like Christ and the Apostiles for up to 400 years?

    “God is the potter. He has the right to do whatever he wants to with the clay. I know that is hard to accept, believe me, I’ve had to accept it. The truth is that one day all of us will have to accept (unless we die very suddenly) the fact that our bodies are not going to last forever. Yes, perhaps mine is failing sooner than it should but who are we to say?”

    That is hard to take when you know how much you have from God and you know his nature and will for everyone. So what it is , is a lie from satan. You are sitting with a belief system that says maybe he will maybe He wont. Who knows the mind of God. Let me tell you I know God and all His thoughts are towards us. How many sacrificial lambs do you know that were battered whipped before the were put to death? And you cant see that Christ was wipped at the post for our healing and to set us free?

    “If you respect God’s sovereignty over my body”

    Its because of Gods love for me that I am here talking to you about this in the first place.

    “Don’t assume that God’s will is to heal me. It might not be.”
    You dont have a single scripture to back that up, not one.

    “Don’t pretend that you are casting out a demon and command the disease to leave me or command my tumors to dissolve. Nobody in scripture casts out a disease, they only cast out demons.”

    It makes no diference what you say or how you say it. sickness come out satan I curse your works, body be healed. come out get out what ever . It makes no diference none. Your talking about experiances that you dont have and havent seen.

    “Don’t slap me, shake me or push be down because you like the energy of dramatic physical motion.”

    There are people out there who are a little confussed at what should and should not be done. Yes there is no need for this nonsence.

    “Don’t keep nagging me about healing every time I talk to you. When you do that, it makes me want to avoid you.”
    How many times will you forgive them none? Not much love here man.

    “Do pray that God would ease my suffering” You think that maybe somehow God might listen to some and might just move , see how I feel sort of thing? Dont you know he loves you and has provided everything. How will all your thinking preaching go if God healed you today? And then opened your eys and reavealed His will to you for everyman. Life in a wheel chair is not life more abundant. Is Jesus lying? satan has you bound not God. God provided everything. All you need is a bible believ3eing Christian who is walking in this.

    “Do pray that God would help me to remain faithful to the end” Faithfull to the end. I bet you dont even know that you cant offend God Jesus or the Holy Spirit? Dont come back with the scripture that say dont offened the Holy Soirit. If you do Then I know you dont understand it.

    “Do ask God to heal me if it is his will” Did Jesus skip any or did He heal them all? If you have seen me you have seen the Father?? You have the mind of Christ. I am in the Father and the Father is in me and we make our dwelling in YOU. You have the full God head dwelling in you why. Just to sick there while you get sick and die as you said? No Its to show the FULLNESS of Christ through what you do through Him.
    ” Do accept the fact the God may decide to use me in this frail body as it is until the day that he heals me through death.” Giod can use you in anyt condition We know that. But He wants you whole Its paid for wither you understand it or not.
    “Learn What The New Testament Really Teaches About Healing” You want to try that with mind renewal?

    “Much of what you think you know about healing is just unbiblical baggage that you picked up along the way. If you think you have the gift of healing, don’t go to someone’s book on healing, get out your bible and study it. If you want to pray for me then here is your assignment.”
    Every thing I spoke on is biblical. To late I started with out your rules or regulations 🙂 I prefer Gods rules Go heal the sick. Why you making it so hard for people to pray for you man?

    “Pray for me on your own. I don’t have to be present or listening when you pray. Jesus healed without even coming near to the Centurion’s Servant (Matt 8:5-13).”
    Did Jesus really heal the centurions servent? Is that what scripture actully said or are you assuming that Jesus healed him? Go back and read what it says. It never said Jesus healed him. did it? Just tring to make a point here.
    Jesus never healed anyone what about that? is that true or false?

    “Read every verse that has anything to do with healing and write a short essay about it, what it teaches and what you’ve learned about healing from that passage, then meet with me to review them.”
    When do we meet I would rather meet in public on the forum live for all to here. Because I know I sound harse in text and I am sorry about that. But I find it hard typing. So I am short and to the point. apart from that people are dying. Any way lets get it on. This was a lot of work for me. So any time you want to talk I am here. If I made any errors sorry. But I dont think I did. Any scripture you need just ask. But I believe you actully know most of them with the well worded post you have made.
    I love my new life for the past two years. I regret my past 21 years that were wasted in a dead church. I am now free and seen more healing in two years than the 21 years. No point telling you any testimones you might or might not believe them. I am free form the old covanant.

    Read my blog posts about healing and tell me what your opinion of my arguments is. I am not God and I most certainly don’t always get it right.
    Three Choices
    Weep With Those Who Weep
    Lie To Me
    Can Christians Raise The Dead Today?
    This Old Tent
    By His Stripes We Are Healed
    I Command #FAIL – How Not To Heal
    In Conclusion

    I appreciate the fact that you want to heal me. Sadly, many other disabled people I have spoken with tell me that they are often assaulted by people who believe that the Holy Spirit has directed them to pray for their healing.

    Nobody wants to be the guy who says “No, actually I don’t want you to pray for my healing.” So I won’t be that guy, I will just ask that you respect my wishes when praying.

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